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Bluce Ree

Bluce Ree

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Overmind One said:
I cant believe I edited his post like that! I was doing it from my laptop and did not notice. But his original post has been completely restored without my edits, and my response is above. :) Interesting thread, BTW. I goind do a whole new thread on the comical antics of some ambitious physics students and scholars, with Stephen Hawking leading the pack (yep, him). He may be yet the last well known "old school" physics figureheads. There is a distinct "physics royalty" based in certain scholarly circles and accreditation from established physics organizations in Europe and the US. They have little to do with the science of physics and everything to do with recognition, publication of journals, inclusion into alumni lists and preferential treatment when it comes to tenure in universities. Year after year, select physics students get to "discover" new subatomic particles and attach their names to them. There are similar "honor structures" in astronomy and chemistry. Not so much in biology or genetics.

Anyway, this subject gets my brain jogging. :) I am indeed the Time Traveler!
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It's almost happened to me once or twice. It's confusing a little to have the "Edit Post" on all posts as an admin and, at first glance, it's not apparent you're editing vs replying. Would be nice if the frame could change color to indicate editing.
 
SciphonicStranger

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OMNI

OMNI

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Bluce Ree said:
It's almost happened to me once or twice. It's confusing a little to have the "Edit Post" on all posts as an admin and, at first glance, it's not apparent you're editing vs replying. Would be nice if the frame could change color to indicate editing.
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it has happened to me more then once and i think even GB has done it.

and hey you are the new tech admin isnt that sort of your department? :P
tho its possible VB doesnt support that.. something to look into maybe?
 
Overmind One

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OMNI said:
it has happened to me more then once and i think even GB has done it.

and hey you are the new tech admin isnt that sort of your department? :P
tho its possible VB doesnt support that.. something to look into maybe?
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YES, and there needs to be an announcement!
 
Bluce Ree

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
OMNI said:
it has happened to me more then once and i think even GB has done it.

and hey you are the new tech admin isnt that sort of your department? :P
tho its possible VB doesnt support that.. something to look into maybe?
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Overmind One said:
YES, and there needs to be an announcement!
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As soon as I have access to code, I could look into it. :D

VB may not support it but it could probably be pretty easily implemented via CSS and some javascript.
 
Overmind One

Overmind One

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Jim of WVa said:
Yes, I see what happened. Thanks.
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You're welcome. :redface:

So, are you any good at theorizing? Why has useful information and experimentation regarding gravitation and manipulating the strong and weak forces eluded physics? For more than a Century (and to the present), there is no theory of quantum gravity. A very very HUGE reason for that, is conflict with Einstein's general theory of relativity (mathematically speaking, that is). The only significant experimentation regarding gravity was done for the Atlas project at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in 2008.
 
mzzz

mzzz

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Overmind One said:
All of those are arbitrary constants are they not? That is my point. We can create constants much like we create values like religious deities, moral codes, and social tenets. But do they PHYSICALLY exist? No, they dont. Mathematical equations using constants and used to describe constants is convenient, but hardly incontrovertible. I cannot prove that God exists or does not exist, but the notion of God is a construct like physical constants are. It only takes a consensus of agreement to make them real despite any empirical evidence to the contrary. Like the concept of "race" for instance.
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Constants have to be physical? So do I exist to you? I'm just a person on the end of a computer. How can you know if I am a real person since you cannot verify my physical existence?

Constants do exist.

In order to communicate amongst ourselves, we need a common language. Mathematical symbols and logic allow for that common language.

Order exists in the universe. Math symbols and all those things are just a way for us to communicate on a uniform level. We're only using that to represent the order in the universe. That order that we're modelling with math with our current best levels of logic and reasoning shows that there are constants in the universe. As long as we're able to model such order, constants will exist cause those constants are just our current way of modelling the order in the universe.

You're using your own obscure and ill-defined definitions of existence, among other things. You should probably define existence since you're using that concept.
 
shavedape

shavedape

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mzzz said:
Constants have to be physical? So do I exist to you? I'm just a person on the end of a computer. How can you know if I am a real person since you cannot verify my physical existence?

Constants do exist.

In order to communicate amongst ourselves, we need a common language. Mathematical symbols and logic allow for that common language.

Order exists in the universe. Math symbols and all those things are just a way for us to communicate on a uniform level. We're only using that to represent the order in the universe. That order that we're modelling with math with our current best levels of logic and reasoning shows that there are constants in the universe. As long as we're able to model such order, constants will exist cause those constants are just our current way of modelling the order in the universe.

You're using your own obscure and ill-defined definitions of existence, among other things. You should probably define existence since you're using that concept.
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Overmind One

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mzzz said:
Constants have to be physical? So do I exist to you? I'm just a person on the end of a computer. How can you know if I am a real person since you cannot verify my physical existence?

Constants do exist.
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Sure, they exist virtually, yes. And I can indeed verify your physical existence (at least the physical elements of it). Your physical presence is NOT a constant. Nothing in your body is constant. This is not what I have been talking about. Einsteinian physics assumes PHYSICAL constants which do not exist.

In order to communicate amongst ourselves, we need a common language. Mathematical symbols and logic allow for that common language.

Order exists in the universe. Math symbols and all those things are just a way for us to communicate on a uniform level. We're only using that to represent the order in the universe. That order that we're modelling with math with our current best levels of logic and reasoning shows that there are constants in the universe. As long as we're able to model such order, constants will exist cause those constants are just our current way of modelling the order in the universe.
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Yes, but just as people can speak jibberish and use slang, mathematics also has it's form of jibberish and slang, with the use of constants being slang. There is no such thing as a physical constant, so mathematical descriptions of them are no more relevant than seeing that perfect circle on a computer screen. You can talk about that perfect circle, calculate it's diameter, describe the volume, etc...but the data regarding it is not really relevant in the big picture. Perfect circles do not exist in the real world. What use is the data about the perfect circle which can only exist virtually?

You're using your own obscure and ill-defined definitions of existence, among other things. You should probably define existence since you're using that concept.
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Dude, you are just not mature enough or educated enough to make statements like that. How old are you? How far along into physics are you and where have you applied them? There is nothing obscure about what I am saying and I am already long graduated from college and well into the real life experience of the world around me. I hate to be so harsh about it, but if you are going to continue to sit there and insist you know so much when you are just a student with no real life experience in this field, you need to be put in your place. Forget trying to attack me. You seem to be an expert at repeating things you have heard, but your comprehension of what you are studying is mediocre. I am at the place where I have learned the lemming science and can now review and critique it for myself. I already play Bach fugues and sonatas, so I can transpose, change and critique them to my own personal tastes. You are still learning the basics.

Prove your points using real life. Find ONE example of a verified physical constant. Just one. They DO NOT EXIST. If you dont know enough about the history of how these so called "constants" were created, that is a result of your lack of knowledge, not a result of me not being correct. Prove that any physical constant exists on any level, and I will recant my statements regarding them. But I already have done that footwork. You have not.

Can we tone down the attitude now?
 
Jim of WVa

Jim of WVa

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Overmind One said:
You're welcome. :redface:

So, are you any good at theorizing? Why has useful information and experimentation regarding gravitation and manipulating the strong and weak forces eluded physics? For more than a Century (and to the present), there is no theory of quantum gravity. A very very HUGE reason for that, is conflict with Einstein's general theory of relativity (mathematically speaking, that is). The only significant experimentation regarding gravity was done for the Atlas project at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in 2008.
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I am no good at theorizing, but the April 2012 Analog magazine contains an Alternate View by Jeffrey Kooistra that covers the issue of FTL and you might be interested in what he has to say.
 
Overmind One

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Jim of WVa said:
I am no good at theorizing, but the April 2012 Analog magazine contains an Alternate View by Jeffrey Kooistra that covers the issue of FTL and you might be interested in what he has to say.
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Thanks! Is it available for reading online or on Kindle?
 
Gatefan1976

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You did ask about time travel................... :lol:
 
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