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Jim of WVa

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Yes, I saw that on the BBC's web site. I am gob smacked. However, the results will have to be confirmed by other researchers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

Puzzling results from Cern, home of the LHC, have confounded physicists - because it appears subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light.

Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early. The result - which threatens to upend a century of physics - will be put online for scrutiny by other scientists.
 

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Yes, I saw that on the BBC's web site. I am gob smacked. However, the results will have to be confirmed by other researchers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

THIS is why one cannot smugly sit back and use Einsteinian physics and Special relativity to guide the future of physics. If the scientists who discovered this phenomena were Einsteinian adherents, they would never have attempted this. They would have been stopped by the almighty lightspeed "constant". And neutrinos do not increase in mass. Einsteinian physics says NOTHING can travel faster than light, does it not? So, why all the bantering on the Physics thread here?
 

Jim of WVa

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THIS is why one cannot smugly sit back and use Einsteinian physics and Special relativity to guide the future of physics. If the scientists who discovered this phenomena were Einsteinian adherents, they would never have attempted this. They would have been stopped by the almighty lightspeed "constant". And neutrinos do not increase in mass. Einsteinian physics says NOTHING can travel faster than light, does it not? So, why all the bantering on the Physics thread here?

The discovery still remains to be confirmed by other researchers.

Relativity allows for, but does not require, the existence of particles that are always traveling faster than light, tachyons.
 

Gatefan1976

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THIS is why one cannot smugly sit back and use Einsteinian physics and Special relativity to guide the future of physics. If the scientists who discovered this phenomena were Einsteinian adherents, they would never have attempted this. They would have been stopped by the almighty lightspeed "constant". And neutrinos do not increase in mass. Einsteinian physics says NOTHING can travel faster than light, does it not? So, why all the bantering on the Physics thread here?

Because most people can only live in a river,and not an ocean.
 

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shavedape

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Einsteinian physics is a lot like incest, it's all relative.
 

Overmind One

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Not true. All scientists realize that the results generated by science are provisional in nature.

Yet, you denigrate me for thinking differently than the vaunted scientists who have put their names on the mechanics of the Universe? As I told you and mzzz, I have a solid understanding of physics. I am at the point of knowing that, then questioning its foundations. As soon as the words "always", and "constant" and "static" are used, flags are raised. Coming up with exotic things like a "zero mass particle" is just another way of saying "ghost". Physics is growing and the only constant is its CHANGING nature. Physics is our way of understanding what we see and why things interact and act the way they do. Neither you or mzzz seem to be willing to challenge your own understandings, choosing instead to dismiss anything you DONT know.

There are no constants in this universe. The only thing that doesn't agree with that is OUR mathematics and our physics students who think that everything comes from textbooks and eccentric professors. Their goal is to have their name attached to some physical law or special mathematical equation.

This will be proven because it is the way this Universe exists.
 

Overmind One

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Because most people can only live in a river,and not an ocean.

WELL PUT!!!!! Love the analogy. Very very fitting. Many many people think they are seeing the "big picture", but they fail to see beyond the frame. More precisely, they are UNABLE to see beyond the frame. Im busy adjusting the picture on the WALL of the universe so that it is properly aligned. I also realize that awareness and perception are purely subjective things experienced differently by each individual. I see you are able to do the same. :)
 

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Gatefan1976

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WELL PUT!!!!! Love the analogy. Very very fitting. Many many people think they are seeing the "big picture", but they fail to see beyond the frame. More precisely, they are UNABLE to see beyond the frame. Im busy adjusting the picture on the WALL of the universe so that it is properly aligned. I also realize that awareness and perception are purely subjective things experienced differently by each individual. I see you are able to do the same. :)

Don't forget, the wall is just another bank in the river, it's just futher away. :)
Then again, I freely admit I know nothing, I just have the occasional idea.
 
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Given that the mean velocity of the neutrinos was observed to be 0.001% greater than the speed of light, travel between the stars would still take a very, very long time.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897

Isn't it "all relative"? :)

It's just a first step in what's likely to be a very long line of steps that'll probably never lead to any practical application regarding space travel but will still make a considerable contribution to the general understanding of the universe.
 
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