Explosion at Oslo, shooting at a Labour Party youth camp outside Oslo -

Tropicana

Council Member
Key Points -

  • A bomb has been detonated at government headquarters in Oslo
  • Norwegian police say seven people have been killed and two are badly wounded, Reuters reports
  • Many as 100 wounded
  • Oslo police are advising residents to stay at home
  • No-one has claimed responsibility for the attack
  • Unconfirmed reports say several people have been killed in a separate shooting at a Labour Party youth camp outside Oslo
  • Unconfirmed reports say Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg had been due to attend the camp
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705

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Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
I have been watching it on the news. how horrible, I hope the injuries are few but the bombers/shooters are dead. yeah I can be a bit spiteful. what a way to try to make a political point...killing the innocent! I find that totally despicable and sure sign of cowardice!
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
Yeah I read about this this morning, and wow! :icon_eek: You always hear about stuff like this happening in other places, but you never expect it to hit so close to home. I just can't fathom why someone would even think about doing something as despicable as this.

Since it appears that these attacks are targeting the Labour Party and the government (and the shooter was Norwegian), it's probably linked to domestic extremist far-right terrorist groups (which are considered to be biggest threats to national security up here in Sweden, Norway, etc.), since they have been know to often target the left with acts of violence.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
Several Swedish, Norwegian, and other papers/sites are reporting that this is the guy suspected for the bombings and confirmed to be behind the shootings. He's now in the custody of the Norwegian police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
(sorry 'bout the link to wiki, but it was the only English site I could find)

I'm not so sure that he acted alone. There has to be more people behind this.
 

OMNI

My avatar speaks for itself.
tbh this comes as no surprise to me with the lapses in domestic security present in both sweden and norway as the public here just cant fathom that it could ever effect them :facepalm:

There will allways be threats both foreign and domestic foreign threats will come from us taking part in cleaning up the messes the US leaves all over the world while expecting the rest of the world to police and continue what they "started" while they themself bug out due to change of politics and economy.
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
tbh this comes as no surprise to me with the lapses in domestic security present in both sweden and norway as the public here just cant fathom that it could ever effect them :facepalm:

There will allways be threats both foreign and domestic foreign threats will come from us taking part in cleaning up the messes the US leaves all over the world while expecting the rest of the world to police and continue what they "started" while they themself bug out due to change of politics and economy.
yeah yeah yeah blame it on the USA :facepalm: oh well...to be expected I am sure.
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I am just saddened that there are those who have to make political points at the expense of others. i had heard earlier in the day an islamic group "took credit"...they just like the credit for everything I guess! The dept of Homeland security here says middle aged whites are the single biggest threat...funny the last 126 terrorists picked up were all young muslim men! shocking isn't it...they keep missing their "real" [strike]target[/strike] terrorists.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
I…. I just don't know what to say. 87 people dead, most of them probably teenagers. It's just disgusting. I can understand targeting a the government, I can understand targeting a political party, for whatever sick and twisted reason you have, but targeting a youth camp for teenagers (even if it's political)!? You're just speechless. There's just no words to describe the insanity of this whole thing.

Oh and could we please try and keep most of the politics out of this (even though I realize that it's a politically motivated attack). If you guys want to go twelve rounds on this thing, then please take it to flame hell where it belongs.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/index.html?iref=BN1
 

SciphonicStranger

Objects may be closer than they appear
My prayers go out for the victims of this insanity. This is just awful. :(
 

Joelist

What ship is this?
Staff member
Yes, please, no politics here. This is for offering condolences and prayers for the victims and their families.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
A swedish online newspaper recently posted some info about the a-hole behind all this, so I thought I'd post it. I ran it through google translate and made some minor edits to make it more grammatically correct, but otherwise I haven't changed anything.

OSLO / STOCKHOLM. A couple of weeks ago, Anders Behring Breivik, 32, left his apartment in Oslo and moved to the small town of Rena in Eastern Norway.Yesterday he was suspected of having returned to the capital, armed with explosives and automatic weapons.
- I support nationalism, he has stated on various websites.
The suspect Anders Behring Breivik, 32, is not known by the police, except for a traffic violation a dozen of years ago.
Now, he has quite possibly become one of the worst terrorists in the history of Europe.
Anders Behring Breivik grew up and spent most of his life in Oslo. Until two weeks ago, he lived at home with his mother, a woman in her 60s, in an apartment in a quiet neighborhood just outside central Oslo.

"Taciturn"
Then Anders Breivik Behring chose to move to the small town of Rena in Eastern Norway. Neighbors in Oslo describes him as taciturn:
- He lived on the first floor with her mom, we lived on the fourth. We walked past each other a few times and said hello. I know he was working with IT a few years ago, says Terje Tingbo.
- I've never seen him behaving strangely. It's chocking.
His mother, who is in her 60s, socialize with neighbors, however.
- She is well-behaved. A nice woman simply said another neighbor.

Police Barriers
Shortly after midnight Norwegian police blocked much of the 32-year-old Oslo address to do a search. The police suspect, among other things, that there could be explosives in the home.
- A large area is cordoned off for safety reasons, said a police armed with automatic weapons and wearing bullet-proof vest and helmet with visor.
Police suspect that Behring Breivik behind both explosive attack and massacre on the island. It is unclear if he had any accomplices.
On his Facebook page, the 32-year-old claims to be politically conservative. In recent years he has been active in anti-Islamic websites and he has been in various posts said that he supports nationalism, and has criticized the multicultural society. He has also turned to attack the Swedish media, which he believes is not sufficiently critical of Islam.
Anders Behring Breivik, who call himself educated, belonging to the right-wing European environment in the Eastern Norway. According to Aftonbladet, he has a license for two weapons - a machine gun and a Glock pistol.
On his Facebook page says he is Director of his own company and that he studied at the Oslo Business School.
The company works with the cultivation of vegetables and root crops. Something that means he has had access to fertilizer, a substance that can be used to manufacture explosives.


Christian and Single
Anders Behring Breivik claims he read religion and finance, are Christian and single. In addition, he says himself that he likes hunting, literature, classical music, Winston Churchill and the computer game World of Warcraft. And the television shows True Blood and Dexter.
On the 17th of July he put out his first and only post on Twitter, a quote from the British philosopher John Stuart Mill.
- One person with a belief is a social power equal to 99 who have only interests., he wrote.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
I can't believe 87 people at the Youth Camp is dead. It's not fair, no one deserves to die this way. :(

At least, 32 year old Anders Behring Breivik is arrested. Though his personal beliefs that he used to justify his actions, makes it somewhat scary. However, via deductive reasoning on his character profile, his beliefs, his overall make up as an individual - it's pretty clear exactly why he did this, his motives are as clear as day. However, it highlights his naivety as he expected change through violence or gain some kind of support; or will somehow by destroying the Labour party and next generation of supporters, that he will make Norway be what he is. What a loser.

I hope he gets locked up for life. He's not going to die, cos that would make him to be some great individual - a martyr; when in actual fact, he's a pathetic loner - loser. Ironically, his very action made him no different to Islamic extremists that he despises.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
I can't believe 87 people at the Youth Camp is dead. It's not fair, no one deserves to die this way. :(

At least, 32 year old Anders Behring Breivik is arrested. Though his personal beliefs that he used to justify his actions, makes it somewhat scary. However, via deductive reasoning on his character profile, his beliefs, his overall make up as an individual - it's pretty clear exactly why he did this, his motives are as clear as day. However, it highlights his naivety as he expected change through violence or gain some kind of support; or will somehow by destroying the Labour party and next generation of supporters, that he will make Norway be what he is. What a loser.

I hope he gets locked up for life. He's not going to die, cos that would make him to be some great individual - a martyr; when in actual fact, he's a pathetic loner - loser. Ironically, his very action made him no different to Islamic extremists that he despises.

He'll probably get the maximum sentence in Norway, which is 21 years, but after that I suspect that they'll review his case and put him in indefinite confinement, which means that he can be imprisoned indefinitely, with his case coming up for review every five years when they decide if he can be released and function in civilian society or not.
 
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Stonelesscutter

Guest
Apart from being locked away forever he should get electrodes surgically implanted in his private areas making him receive frequent but unpredictable and very painful yet non lethal electric shocks.
 

LadySciFi

GateFans Noob
As a parent, I can not fathom sending my children to camp, then wondering if my children are still alive or if some monster killed or injured them. My prayers go out to the victims and their families injured, and emotionally tramatized and ofcourse those whom have lost a loved one in this horrific tragedy.
 
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Graybrew1

Guest
I sent my daughter to regular summer camps for 8 years. This is beyond horrifying. Those poor parents.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
What is shocking is that some kids are still missing, presumed dead and is in the waters around the island somewhere, in their attempt to flee the island and injured but obviously didn't make it - I really hope they could be found and brought home.

Also some pics published features bodies strewn around the island coast is equally as horrifying - it was simply a massacre.

If we didn't have the European Convention of Human Rights, what I would propose to have Breveik's limbs surgically removed and the stumps encased in metal with chains attached and have him hanging there, castrated and peeing out of a tube, voice box removed. He wants to be recognised, let's have him recognised as a piece of low-life trash that he is for all to see.

He may have thought one person with a belief is stronger than thousands with mere interests; but millions with human decency is stronger than any men like Breveik. Those kids will be celebrated, their lives will always be remembered and their desire for a brighter and better future where diversity of sex, race, creed, sexuality; unified as one, will be ensured.

Also there are reports that he had contact with English (British) right-wing group - the English Defence League, not surprised there since those right wing groups are losers too. They have no idea what it means to be British. Any extremist groups like the EDL should be arrested.

On the NZ Herald newspaper, apparently a New Zealander girl (with a dual NZ/Norweigan citizenship) is missing, she was believed to be on Utoeya Island.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
Here's a good article about the nut.

The man who reportedly shot dead at least 85 people at a youth camp and killed another seven with a car bomb in the Norwegian capital of Oslo, released a YouTube video calling for conservatives to 'embrace martyrdom' six hours before the attacks, it has emerged.
Anders Behring Breivik posted the video promoting a fight against Islam, which shows pictures of him wearing a wetsuit and pointing an automatic weapon, hours before he set out on the devastating killing spree.
In a text with the video he detailed his plans for the attacks, writing that he would 'dress up as a police officer', adding that it would 'be awesome as people will be astonished'.

Attacks: Breivik set out how to make bombs from fertilisers and how to receive them in large quantities by setting up an agricultural company
In the disturbing 1,500-page dossier, he wrote that 'there are situations where cruelty is necessary' and that it is better to kill too many than not enough'.
Police sources told Norwegian media that Breivik had confessed to posting the video setting out his extremist views before the attacks.
Breivik was a member of the Masonic lodge in Oslo and had links to the English Defence League.
In one post online, he wrote: 'I have on some occasions discussed with... the EDL and recommended them to use conscious strategies.
'The tactics of the EDL is to ''entice'' an overreaction from jihad youth/extreme Marxists, something they have succeeded [in] several times already.'
Police chief Roger Andersen said: 'What we know is that he is right wing and a Christian fundamentalist.'
The 12-minute video, called 'Knights Templar 2083', also reportedly appeared on Breivik's now-closed Facebook page.
The page cites philosophers like Machiavelli, Immanuel Kant and John Stuart Mill.
He listed Kafka among his favourite authors and George Orwell's 1984 as one of his favourite books.
In the accompanying document, which he set out as a manifesto for 'conservative revolution', he described how to make bombs from fertilisers and how to receive them in large quantities by setting up an agricultural company.
In May, he had six tonnes of fertiliser delivered to the remote farm he owned, 80 miles north of Oslo.
The manifesto describes his experiments with explosives and his first successful test detonation of a bomb in a remote location on June 13.
The account of bomb-making is also dotted with details about what he watched on TV including the Eurovision song contest and American police drama The Shield.

More...


The author said that he had sent the text and YouTube video in which he attacked multiculturalism and Muslim immigration to his '7,000 patriotic Facebook friends'.
In the text, titled 'A European Declaration of Independence', he wrote how he wanted to rid Europe of Islam and Marxism.
'There are situations in which cruelty is necessary, and refusing to apply necessary cruelty is a betrayal of the people whom you wish to protect,' he wrote.
'The preferred method is to attack in a violent and deceptive form (shock attack).
Cruelty is necessary: Breivik wrote that it is better to 'kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike'

'It is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike,' he added.
'Do not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner.'
Writing under the name Andrew Berwick, an anglicised version of his name, the suspect said that it had taken him nine years and cost 300,000 euros to write the manifesto.
He said: 'The first drop of rain marks the coming of a great and unstoppable cultural conservative tidal wave. The tidal wave will cleanse Western Europe of cultural Marxism and will result in the banishment of Islam for the third time.
'The European tree of liberty will be refreshed by the blood of our patriots and of the Marxist tyrrants. This civil war will last several decades but we will succeed.
'Never forget that we fight so that you and your children can remain free. For a future Europe safe from the tyrany of cultural-Marxism and of Islam. A Europe worth dying for.'
Breivik said that he wanted to see Europe more similar to countries such as Japan and South Korea, which he said are 'not far from cultural conservatism and nationalism at its best'.
He declared: 'Celebrate us, the martyrs of the conservative revolution, for we will soon dine in the Kingdom of Heaven.'
Last night the YouTube video posted under the name 'AndrewBerwick' was taken down from the site because 'its content violated YouTube's terms of service'.
Breivik kept a daily diary in the months leading up to the attacks, filled with detailed plans.
He predicted that his actions would kill or injure more than a million people, saying: 'The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed resistance has come.'

Profile: Breivik wrote that he his hobbies included Free Masonry, political analysis and travelling.
Tolerant: Breivik wrote that he is not a racist and has never been

The document also described a secret meeting in London in April 2002 to reconstitute the Knights Templar - skilled fighters endorsed by the Church who fought during the Crusades in the Middle Ages. They are sometimes revered by white supremacists.
It said the meeting was attended by nine representatives of eight European countries with another three members unable to attend, including a 'European-American'.
The document does not name the attendees or say whether they were aware of Breivik’s planned attacks. It is thought that investigators will now try to determine if these people exist and what their connection is to Breivik.

Thomas Hegghammer, a terrorism expert at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment, said the manifesto bears a resemblance to those of Osama bin Laden although from a Christian standpoint.
Mr Hegghammer told the New York Times: 'It seems to be an attempt to mirror Al Qaeda, exactly in reverse.'
Police said that unexploded bombs had been located in some other buildings in Oslo and they had not ruled out the possibility that Breivik had accomplices.

Police refuse to speculate on motives for the attack but the bomb in Oslo targeted buildings connected to Norway's governing Labour Party, and the youth camp on Utoeya island was also run by the party.

Police chief Sveinung Sponheim said: 'He has had a dialogue with the police the whole time, but he is a very demanding suspect.'
Officials say Breivik has said he acted alone and admits the attack but denies he has broken the law.
He had previously been a youth member of the right-wing Progress Party between 1999 and 2004, which has been vocal in its anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim view points.

Joran Kallmyr, a party member who is now Oslo’s vice mayor for transportation, said he met Breivik several times in 2002 and 2003 at meetings.
Mr Kallmyr said: 'He was very quiet, almost a little bit shy. But he was a normal person with good behavior. He never shared any extreme thoughts or speech with us. There was absolutely no reason to expect that he could do something like this. We’re very shocked.'
Breivik reportedly left the party in 2006 as he was disappointed as it moved towards the centre.
His Internet posts also indicated contempt for the Conservative Party, which he accused of having given up the battle against multiculturalism.
Despite the hatred displayed in his blogs, it is unlikely that authorities would have noticed Breivik. He did not belong to any violent neo-Nazi groups.
A friend told the Norwegian newspaper VG that Breivik had been aligned to the far right since his late twenties when he began posting opinions online, including the site Document.no.
According to a fellow user of the anti-Islamic site, Breivik began posting there in 2009 and over the course of just two months wrote 75 pieces.
He has written about Somali immigrants with 'full Norwegian passports sitting at home on benefits'.
Members of the website and his Masonic lodge were also approached Breivik who he wanted to help him start up an ultra-conservative newspaper.
Breivik was raised in Oslo and is alleged to have attended the same primary school as Norway's crown prince.
A defining moment perhaps was choosing to be baptised into the Protestant church at the age of 15. However more recently, he wrote of his disgust at 'priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres'.
He was a fan of violent video games including World of Warcraft and Call of Duty and regularly wore 'military-style' clothing.
Although having a degree and attending business school, his businesses ventures mostly failed until he set up his farm two years ago.
In one blog posting, he says that the only purpose of having a successful business was to fund his political agenda.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Norway-terror-attacks.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
I find it ironic that he has embraced the martyr mentality of the same Islamic jihadists he hates so much!
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As long as there are idiot/fools/evil like this in the world there will be tragedies...all we can do is rise above them.
 
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