I could not make it through the premiere episode.
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I could not make it through the premiere episode.
shavedape
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Every time I see an advertisement for this show I'm mystified as to why it's even being produced. Seriously. Who is watching this thing? Hell, if they sent me free DVD's of this show I still couldn't be bothered to watch it.
shavedape
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I would wrap it as a gift and give it to somebody I don't really like..
And then when they open it you have to gush that it's a really great show and they must watch every episode.
Jim of WVa
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I kinda like Dominion, and I am not a fantasy fan.
So you have been watching it? You may be the only one here watching it. What is it you like most about it?
Jim of WVa
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They give backstory information about the two major angels in the story that give one the feeling that the story is real. The stories are changed from what the original stories were in the Bible, but they were only changed to fit the premises of the program.
The golden boy (the hero of the program) is a reasonably good character. His main squeeze from Season 1 had a miscarriage and is busy suppressing a rebellion at home.
Thanks for posting this. I was saying back on day one of this show that the premise was Biblical and I was right. You cannot talk about a "war in heaven" and not be specifically talking about Biblical stories and Christianity. Such stories do not exist in this form in any other religion. Besides that, the names of the angels are taken exactly as written in the Bible.
Except that the only "Biblical" components are the notion of angels and the names of two of them. Literally nothing else is actually Biblical at all. In other words, there are no stories in the Bible that correspond to either the film Legion or this brain sucking dreck.
To put it in different terms, it would be like having a buddy cop show with two characters named Kirk and Spock and they drive a police special they have named "enterprise", and from that saying the premise is Star Trek
To put it in different terms, it would be like having a buddy cop show with two characters named Kirk and Spock and they drive a police special they have named "enterprise", and from that saying the premise is Star Trek
Jim of WVa
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Except that the only "Biblical" components are the notion of angels and the names of two of them. Literally nothing else is actually Biblical at all. In other words, there are no stories in the Bible that correspond to either the film Legion or this brain sucking dreck.
To put it in different terms, it would be like having a buddy cop show with two characters named Kirk and Spock and they drive a police special they have named "enterprise", and from that saying the premise is Star Trek
You did not watch the most recent episode.
Jim of WVa
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The Roman Catholic conception of an angel is light years closer to what the Bible says about angels than what the show says about angels.
This is not true (first bolded). Both Legion and Dominion center around the imagined events of the Apocalypse in Revelation. The writer Vaun Wilmott says so himself.
To put it in different terms, it would be like having a buddy cop show with two characters named Kirk and Spock and they drive a police special they have named "enterprise", and from that saying the premise is Star Trek
Yes, and that would be both expected and unavoidable.
If I saw such a show, I would assume it was an episode of trek like "A Piece of the Action" where they were playing out of character. Much like the "Vegas" episode of Stargate Atlantis. You cannot have the premise of the show based in post-Revelation, with angels using Biblical names and the premiere of the show specifically mentions Revelation, and not have a Biblical premise. The story may not be Biblical, but it is based more than loosely on the imagined events after the Apocalypse.We had this discussion before. The writer himself stated the Biblical connection to the concept. To deny that would be purely a personal choice on your part.
To put it in different terms it is EXACTLY like the loose connection between Galaxy Quest and Star Trek TOS. There is no Spock, no Kirk or Enterprise, but the loose connection between the imagined Galaxy Quest is unmistakeably connected to Star Trek, it's conventions and fans, it's characters and ship, and the premise of the show. At Trek conventions, it has it's own table.
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You are mistaken, Joelist. The writer himself said he based the idea for the show on imagined events after the events of Revelation. Las Vegas was picked specifically because it is considered "Sin City" (a modern day Gomorrah).
The show is NOT a Biblical story, but the premise has Biblical underpinnings. Angels come from Christianity and the Bible. They do not exist in the stories or scriptures of any other religion on earth except Christianity. Angels are not "generic". Besides that, neither is Revelation or the names Gabriel and Michael as angel names. There is no way to remove the Biblical underpinnings from this show.
Legion:
Events imagined before Revelation and the Apocalypse. God sends the angels to destroy the earth.
Dominion:
Events imagined AFTER the Apocalypse. The angels Michael and Gabriel fight to protect what is left of Humanity
All of this is based in Biblical concepts. The Apocalypse, angels, demons, all come from the Bible and nowhere else.
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Except that the only "Biblical" components are the notion of angels and the names of two of them. Literally nothing else is actually Biblical at all. In other words, there are no stories in the Bible that correspond to either the film Legion or this brain sucking dreck.
To put it in different terms, it would be like having a buddy cop show with two characters named Kirk and Spock and they drive a police special they have named "enterprise", and from that saying the premise is Star Trek
I do not understand why you are saying that. There is no way to pretend this is not connected to the Bible and Christianity. This show starts in the (imagined) world after the Biblical apocalypse in Revelation, after God has left the earth. The Biblical connection is far more pronounced in the premise of this than in Legion, but that too was based in imagined Biblical events. From IMdB:
"When God loses faith in humankind, he sends his legion of angels to bring on the Apocalypse. Humanity's only hope lies in a group of strangers trapped in a desert diner with the Archangel Michael"
Hi!
Respectfully, I probably know Scripture better than the rest of our forum. And it seems also better than this writer, as there is no account in Revelation at all of God losing faith in humanity or a conflict between Archangels.
That is why I am stating (not pretending) that it is not Biblical. I made the Star Trek example to illustrate what both the execrable film Legion did and this series does - take names and popular images from something (in this case Christianity) and use them in a setting that changes what they actually are.
Nor do I care what the writer says, especially after that quote you posted.
So what I am saying is taking a name or a visual cue from something does not of necessity mean there is a legitimate connection.
Another example - is NuTrek really Trek? You have said No and I concurred. But it uses names both of people and of objects, places and some visual cues (for example Spock looks Vulcan). So if Dominion is "biblical" then by the same standard NuTrek is really Trek.
Hope that provides clarity.
Respectfully, I probably know Scripture better than the rest of our forum. And it seems also better than this writer, as there is no account in Revelation at all of God losing faith in humanity or a conflict between Archangels.
That is why I am stating (not pretending) that it is not Biblical. I made the Star Trek example to illustrate what both the execrable film Legion did and this series does - take names and popular images from something (in this case Christianity) and use them in a setting that changes what they actually are.
Nor do I care what the writer says, especially after that quote you posted.
So what I am saying is taking a name or a visual cue from something does not of necessity mean there is a legitimate connection.
Another example - is NuTrek really Trek? You have said No and I concurred. But it uses names both of people and of objects, places and some visual cues (for example Spock looks Vulcan). So if Dominion is "biblical" then by the same standard NuTrek is really Trek.
Hope that provides clarity.
This show is not scripture...as I said before. It is not Biblical either. But the PREMISE is. It imagines, like Legion, what the Apocalypse might look like in modern times. Dominion follows up on Legion continuing the same premise. The Apocalypse, angels and demons are all part of ONLY the Bible and ONLY Christianity, your knowledge of the Bible notwithstanding.
No person studying the Bible is any more knowledgeable about it than than anyone else who has studied it for years...unless there is some special "Teachers Edition". Sorry, just being honest here. Your Bible is no different than the one I have here at home is it?
Also like I said, your denial of any influence of the Bible is purely personal on your part and does not apply to this show or the writer's intent.
It is much more than just the names and visual cues. The entire concept of Revelation and the Apocalypse and angels with wings and archangels and demons and such...all of that comes from the Christian Bible and NOWHERE else.
NuTrek is Star Trek because it has the name Star Trek, and it has been produced by Paramount and has the character names and ship. It has a connection via an alternatie timeline anchored by non other than Leonard Nimoy himself. My "declaration" that is is not Star Trek is still a personal statement, and not the actual reality of it. Paramount believes this NuTrek dreck is a worthy successor to Star trek, even if I strongly disagree. I am not going to sit here and say it is definitely NOT Trek by virtue that I am older than all of the writers and producers and actors of NuTrek (which I am), and that I was watching it when it was new on TV in 1966 (which I was).
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shavedape
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Okay, so regarding DEFECATION, was last night's episode the series finale? It sure seemed that way to me. (Not that I'm complaining mind you as this show needed to end. Hell, it never should have seen the light of day to begin with, certainly not in the form it was presented to us in. But I digress.)